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White Privilege

Post by Shadow101 » Mon Dec 18, 2017 3:29 pm

Do people actually think white privilege exist? As a 31 year old white male I can personally say that could't be further from the truth. I was poor as hell growing up in and out of foster care and all my own all before the age of 16. I was so poor I had regulated bath schedules no more then once a week. I went many nights or days with nothing to eat. My only meal most of the time was lunch at school.

I busted my ass working two jobs until graduation. From there went into the military got out Honorable discharge and made something of myself. I am on the verge of 60-70 grand a year. All I hear when I buy something is or make an investment move is it must be good to have that white privilege (Mostly on Facebook etc). It's like your making that comment without even knowing me what I have gone through to get to this point in my life where I am successful.

Rocky said it best if you know what your worth then go out and get what your worth. I am just wondering how many people think this white privilege actually exist.

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Post by Kurusu » Mon Dec 18, 2017 5:40 pm

Firstly, good job with all that. Having to drag yourself up from almost nothing to a point where you can have financial stability is a respectable achievement, regardless if white privileged exists or not.

However, I would also like to point out that, you are extrapolating your claim based on your own experience, to the entire world. You yourself went through hardship, you felt like you had no "white privilege", despite being white. Perhaps white privilege did not exist in your life, but saying that it does not exist at all in this would not be a sound argument.

Now, there are also some studies on this. Here's one of the article that clearly illustrate white privilege at work.

https://www.theatlantic.com/business/ar ... ed/386102/

Sometimes, life is just shit, and being white doesn't really help. However, given the exact same situation, preferential treatment between white and non-white can happen. The findings in that article shows that in the case study, preferential treatment tends to go in favor of white people, and against black people. My stand point here would be that white privilege exists, but not every white person will really get to experience them.
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Re: White Privilege

Post by Shadow101 » Mon Dec 18, 2017 6:01 pm

Thank you....

Now if your talking about statistics. A black person is less likely to get shot then a white person from the hands of a white cop. And actually a black cop is more likely to kill black person over a white person.

Now as far as a overall number black people are killed more often but they are also responsible for 52% more crime... then any other race

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck ... mmit-crime

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Post by Kurusu » Mon Dec 18, 2017 6:35 pm

Would love to have your sources for the first statistic you brought up. Any proof or article that supports that a black person is less likely to get shot? Your article did not mention this statistic.

As for black people committing more crime, I don't see how that disproves white privilege. The article you have given even said that whether race plays a factor or not is inconclusive. Some studies shows that it's poverty, not race, that cause the crime. Some studies shows otherwise.
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Re: White Privilege

Post by Shadow101 » Mon Dec 18, 2017 7:44 pm

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/4 ... tually-say

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... black-cop/

It was what you asked and what you stated for me to make the comments that I did.

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Post by Reginald_Bradley » Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:35 pm

https://www.snopes.com/do-police-kill-m ... ck-people/

Also, just a bit of speculation, but aren't racial ghettos caused by years of institutional issues a thing? Places where both black crime and black cops shooting criminals would be common? Got to consider all the options, statistics can be misleading.

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Re: White Privilege

Post by Shadow101 » Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:40 pm

Also most black deaths are from black on black crime IJS. According to the FBI’s uniform crime-reporting data for 2016, 90.1 percent of black victims of homicide were killed by other blacks

https://www.theroot.com/why-we-never-ta ... 1819092337

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Post by Reginald_Bradley » Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:59 pm

Why don’t black people ever talk about black-on-black crime?

Instead of rejecting the entire notion as a method of deflection and privilege, we will attempt to formally dismiss the conversation forever by laying out the facts about why white America never hears us talk about black-on-black crime.

It’s not a thing.

According to the FBI’s uniform crime-reporting data for 2016, 90.1 percent of black victims of homicide were killed by other blacks, while 83.5 percent of whites were killed by other whites. While no life is inconsequential, the statistical evidence shows that—just as for blacks when it comes to black-on-black crime—whites are mostly victimized by other whites, with the vast majority of white murders committed by whites. This is because most victims of crime personally know their assailants. And while this is a truth across racial boundaries, no one ever talks about “white-on-white crime.”

Furthermore, the Bureau of Justice Statistics’ arrest data analysis tool shows that less than 1 percent of blacks overall (about 2 percent of black men) commit a violent crime in any given year. This means, factoring in interracial violent offenses, 99 percent of black men do not commit black-on-black crime.
It is true that the vast majority of black murders are committed by black men, and we should do something to combat that statistic (we will get to that later, I promise), but that fact has nothing to do with state violence. When anyone interrupts a discussion about Black Lives Matter by bringing up black-on-black crime, it sounds as stupid as if a doctor addressed a cancerous brain tumor by asking about domestic violence, or if America’s highest-ranking government official addressed white supremacist Nazi-palooza by talking about the so-called alt-left and the “very fine” tiki-torch carriers.

No one would ever be that stupid.

We actually do talk about it ... all the time.

It is perfectly understandable why white America assumes that black people don’t talk about black-on-black crime. However, the reason they make this assumption dates to a quote found in recently uncovered papers from an unnamed woman archaeological and historical researchers refer to as “Grandmama”:

“It ain’t none of their damn business.”

The reality is, in neighborhoods and cities across America, there are countless organizations, activists and movements dedicated to curbing violence in black communities. The number of “Stop the Violence” marches dwarfs the demonstrations against police brutality. Unity rallies and peace picnics happen every day. Scared Straight programs for at-risk youths, gang counseling, neighborhood watches, intervention specialists, youth counselors, and too many other people and groups to name all lead the charge against crime and violence.

But those efforts don’t make the evening news because they aren’t as salacious as people blocking traffic and protesting; nor do they serve the preconceived white confirmation bias. Besides, there’s no way white people would know about this unless they stopped deflecting with trite questions and instead actually went into a minority neighborhood to selflessly join the effort to address the problems plaguing ...

OK, you can stop laughing now.
OK, let’s talk about black-on-black crime.

Both sociologists and criminologists agree that violent crime is a complex socioeconomic phenomenon. Generally speaking, research shows that poor people commit the most crime: According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, during the period from 2008 through 2012, “persons in poor households at or below the federal poverty level (FPL) (39.8 per 1,000) had more than double the rate of violent victimization as persons in high-income households (16.9 per 1,000) ... The overall pattern of poor persons having the highest rates of violent victimization was consistent for both whites and blacks.”

Knowing this, the small difference in crime rates can easily be explained by income disparity. Maybe the question should be why are such a large percentage of black people poor?

As a matter of fact, if we are going to derail a conversation about black lives to talk about black-on-black crime, there are a few other questions we should answer first:

Why is the rate of violence actually higher among poor, urban whites? Why don’t we ever discuss the economic impact of redlining and segregation on rates of violence?

If we are going to discuss the number of black people killed by blacks, should we discuss the number of white people murdered, raped and assaulted by fellow whites? Will this conversation include a debate about how blacks are arrested, incarcerated and sentenced for longer periods than whites for committing the same crimes?

Are you willing to detour into a brief explanation of why schools with large percentages of blacks are underfunded even though they have the same tax base and incomes? Do you have time to talk about the wage gap? Unemployment disparities?
All of these factors contribute to crime rates. So if you want to have a conversation about black-on-black crime, you should be careful, because, like most conversations about race, it will end up back in the same place:

White supremacy.
It would do you well to read the articles you're posting in full, friend. These bits are from the link you posted, and they go against the narrative you're trying to spin.

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Re: White Privilege

Post by Austin » Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:11 pm

I wish white privilege existed. I need help with paying for college but there isn't a scholarship based on white skin unlike other colors of skin.
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Re: White Privilege

Post by Reginald_Bradley » Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:14 pm

I'd say aspects of it still exist. I've been alive for a long time, enough to see things improve, and we are better off now than we ever have been. Still, some parts of the world, such as the US, seem to be lagging behind. Stuck in their "glory days"

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