Toffolus wrote: ↑
Tue Nov 07, 2017 11:46 am
There is a massive debate over social justice and it’s authenticity. Whilst many rally to the cause, others believe it is cancerous. What are your opinions on this topic?
Societies aren't perfect, and forces of change are required to deal with these imperfections. Historically every movement for societal change have been met with opposition, which can be good or bad depending upon what people are attempting to change. In this instance I would posit that those groups which seek to maintain the status quo, or even worse those who seek to regress us back to an earlier stage are more cancerous than those who are looking to cure societal ails. That said, it is again dependent upon what
someone is attempting to change, there is a great deal of difference between someone seeking, say, reparations for slavery when they were not directly affected by it, and for someone seeking to reform drug and incarceration laws which unfairly target certain demographics. But, this is why we have debate, as well as a govermenral framework we can use to institute change.
I myself am a classical liberal (you guys can look it up) and I honestly believe that SJWs are... VERY hypocritical.
So that we are on the same page, when I read anyone state that they are a "Classical Liberal" I assume they mean they are a modern Libertarian. A focus on personal responsibility and rights, with a smaller government so it doesn't trample on those rights. So we are on the same page, I believe in a large, and strong federal government with personal freedoms protected against goverment censure, the first and foremost being protected speech, press, and peaceful assembly.
Down below, I will list their hypocrisies
- Social Justice Warriors say that everyone is equal, BUT some immediately consider your argument invalid if you’re a cisgendered straight white male... the largest portion of Americans.
To my knowledge, they are not discounting your opinion but rather asking that you listen to what minorities have to say about their experiences
. It is understanding that your experience is more than likely different than someone of a different demographic. It is also understanding that because your experiences are different, then what holds true for you more than likely won't be true for them.
This is not the same as saying your opinion is completely invalid, it is saying your experiences are not always relevant to every conversation or that your experiences might make it so that you might not understand how hard it is for someone in a different pair of shoes.
Also, am I the only one who finds it odd that they solely blame white men for slavery, but the African people sold them willingly.
I believe Snows covered this well enough.
SJWs argue that females and minorities are treated unfairly. BUT minorities kill <8 times the amount of policemen as much as they kill minorities.
Now, let us also think about what might be the cause of this
. Minorities tend to live within cities, cities tend to have massive disparity in wealth and education. The poor also need to eat. Crime for some becomes the solution. We can focus on the symptom, or we can focus on the disease, which is better for our long term health?
Also, the fabled pay gap? There is a mountain load of evidence that proves that it’s just due to business choices.
Again, source please.
We can also question why it is women tend to avoid STEM careers. There is also research done as to why there are some fields in STEM woman tend to avoid and others woman turn to.
The culture and perception of the thing, and the culture surrounding the thing can be an influencing factor on who seeks to follow certain paths. If you don't feel accepted, is it any wonder you don't follow through?
Many SJWs consider people who follow right wing ideaology to be racist and Nazis.
If you hold up a Nazi flag, snap off the Roman salute while chanting "the Jew will not replace us" I'm sorry if people then think you are a Nazi.
Actually, no I'm not.
What you have given is a broad generalization, and it has no sourcing. People on both sides of every coin like to try to discredit their political rivals by pointing at some bad thing in history and going "just like that!" no matter if it applies or doesn't.
Accusations of racisim can be more interesting to parce out. Some of it can be based on personal ideology and how they precieve racesim. Let's say you voted for Trump because you (somehow) approved of his tax plan, and just turned a blind eye to all of his extremely racially charged language that used identity politics and racism as a rallying cry to a section of receptive Americans. Are you a racists?
Maybe not, but you are certainly condoning it.
Yet from what I have said above, they are more guilty of the things they fight.
I remain unconvinced.
In fact, they’re being fascist for automatically disliking conservatives or white men.
Stop. You were just complaining about people calling everyone they disagreed with a Nazi. You are doing the exact same thing. Learn what people are actually arguing about before you start calling them a fascist.
Also another fun fact: The Democratic Party is actually now right wing.[/list]
For starters, relevance?
You do understand that right left spectrums only work when you are comparing two things, yes? America is an extremely conservative nation
which I posit is the cause of most of our issues, but that is a different conversation. In America, we still decry socialism as something bad, when a good portion of the modern world has already accepted it as a useful tool. (Not getting into the fact that we don't care about socialism when we use it to pay for our armed services, just when we use it as a socal net to catch people who are chewed up by the capitalist machine) So yes, if you compare the Democrats to a left wing European or Canadian political party, the Democrats will lean far more to the right. However when you compare the Democrats to its only major competition, the Republicans, they are clearly far more left wing.
America does not have a strong socialist party, the best we have are the Democrats who push for moderate socialist reforms and welfare nets. I have to work with the parties I have in my country.
So there you have it. My opinion on this whole shabang. I hope I don’t trigger people :\
There you go, my opinion on your opinion. Please spend more time actually looking into these issues and what people are actually taking about. Have a nice day!
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